Problem with my 1999 Chevy Malibu V6.
Reference A high code.
Repair work done prior = Initial customer concern was a racing idle. Code existed for
MAF. IAC motor was frozen and unable to be commanded with the Tech 2 scanner.
Work done to repair this problem = Replaced IAC motor and MAF.
tip/donation yes
GM tech = JK
Question = Replaced IAC and idle no longer raced but still was too high. MAF code for
reference voltage. Back probed sensor and found 4.2 V at the MAF. Disconnected MAF
and reference pin was at 5V. Replaced MAF, code cleared. Idle still erratic. Code set
for Reference A voltage high. Back probed TP, Fuel Tank Pressure Sensor, MAP, and
EGR and found 5V reference either connected or disconnected. Noticed that upon key
on, Reference A will go to 6.2V. Took fuel pump out of the circuit and Reference A
stays at 5V with key on. Jumping in the fuel pump causes the Reference A voltage to go
to 6.2V with or without the sensors connected. All grounds have been checked good
and tight. Any ideas of what next? I can't imagine a voltage regulator in the PCM failing
in such a way to cause this behavior, but I'm at a loss as to what's causing it. Maybe a
back EMF on the ground from the fuel pump? In any case, any help/insight would be
greatly appreciated.
JK:
What is the code you are getting? Is it P1635?
When you say you took fuel pump out of circuit, volts go to normal 5V, did you actually
just disconnect the fuel pump at the pump, or the entire sending unit harness
elsewhere.
Have not heard back from you in while, but anyway.
The fuel pump power and ground circuit would have nothing to do with the 5 volt
reference. Although that relay also has something to do with the A/C compressor
control in my schematics.
You need to test for 5 volts on one of the sensor with everything back together, and
disconnect the sensors on that circuit 1 by 1 until volts drop back to normal 5 volts.
A/C pressure sensor, TPS, MAP, MAF, Fuel tank pressure sensor. (See attached
schematic)
Have had either of these sensors or the wiring to them cause the 5 volt reference circuit
to have problems.
Also, check the harness from under the body going to the fuel tank module. A pinched
wires above the tank for the tank pressure sensor can cause this. As well as the tank
pressure sensor itself. Lower the tank enough the access the sensor and unplug it
only. Not the pump connector. Then cycle key, check to see if 5 volt circuit is normal.
VISITOR:
Thanks, already had the schematic. Found a corrosion bridge between Reference A
and fuel pump supply in the pass through connector to the fuel pump. This was causing
the change in the reference when the fuel pump circuit was energized. Cleaned the
pass through connector and repair checks good. Thanks for the response.
Reference A high code.
Repair work done prior = Initial customer concern was a racing idle. Code existed for
MAF. IAC motor was frozen and unable to be commanded with the Tech 2 scanner.
Work done to repair this problem = Replaced IAC motor and MAF.
tip/donation yes
GM tech = JK
Question = Replaced IAC and idle no longer raced but still was too high. MAF code for
reference voltage. Back probed sensor and found 4.2 V at the MAF. Disconnected MAF
and reference pin was at 5V. Replaced MAF, code cleared. Idle still erratic. Code set
for Reference A voltage high. Back probed TP, Fuel Tank Pressure Sensor, MAP, and
EGR and found 5V reference either connected or disconnected. Noticed that upon key
on, Reference A will go to 6.2V. Took fuel pump out of the circuit and Reference A
stays at 5V with key on. Jumping in the fuel pump causes the Reference A voltage to go
to 6.2V with or without the sensors connected. All grounds have been checked good
and tight. Any ideas of what next? I can't imagine a voltage regulator in the PCM failing
in such a way to cause this behavior, but I'm at a loss as to what's causing it. Maybe a
back EMF on the ground from the fuel pump? In any case, any help/insight would be
greatly appreciated.
JK:
What is the code you are getting? Is it P1635?
When you say you took fuel pump out of circuit, volts go to normal 5V, did you actually
just disconnect the fuel pump at the pump, or the entire sending unit harness
elsewhere.
Have not heard back from you in while, but anyway.
The fuel pump power and ground circuit would have nothing to do with the 5 volt
reference. Although that relay also has something to do with the A/C compressor
control in my schematics.
You need to test for 5 volts on one of the sensor with everything back together, and
disconnect the sensors on that circuit 1 by 1 until volts drop back to normal 5 volts.
A/C pressure sensor, TPS, MAP, MAF, Fuel tank pressure sensor. (See attached
schematic)
Have had either of these sensors or the wiring to them cause the 5 volt reference circuit
to have problems.
Also, check the harness from under the body going to the fuel tank module. A pinched
wires above the tank for the tank pressure sensor can cause this. As well as the tank
pressure sensor itself. Lower the tank enough the access the sensor and unplug it
only. Not the pump connector. Then cycle key, check to see if 5 volt circuit is normal.
VISITOR:
Thanks, already had the schematic. Found a corrosion bridge between Reference A
and fuel pump supply in the pass through connector to the fuel pump. This was causing
the change in the reference when the fuel pump circuit was energized. Cleaned the
pass through connector and repair checks good. Thanks for the response.
Chevy Malibu 5 Volt Reference
